The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. The reason Interpol was involved is because all three had different European citizens, as a result of which it was very difficult to follow the thread of the event. The jury deliberated for three hours after Thursday's closing arguments. Your pathetic attempt to insult not only shows a not very original comment, but clearly displays a lack of intelligence. Cold case: Rape kits from two women lead to arrest in 1979 South Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? (even though hes married and has a baby) Who does that?!! Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. That woman has no soul. Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. She should have received the death penalty imo. In pleading guilty, Islam Said admitted that evidence proved he committed the crimes charged in the superseding indictment filed in November 2020. Then international law enforcement was contacted. Whatever the truth is. FBI agents watched them deliver grocery bags to the house and then followed them to a shopping center in Southlake where they dumped trash from the home, prosecutors said. This article can also be seen at crimereport.com. How is it that these women are paroled? I would bet MONEY that the first baby born to Patricia didnt die of SIDS. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. Patricia How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. of course they all do it to make money only, some of them do it shamelessly, without the slightest attempt to be fair and honest. Owens called him "the devil" and said he deserved a punishment much tougher than life in prison. It's been a long three years for them.". No explanation given. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. Patricia said she didn't have plans to attend Weinstein's trial since she was spending time with her 16-year-old daughter, Harlow, but praised Rosanna's "bravery." While Patricia does not qualify for medical parole, she can still file for executive clemency or compassionate release, which she has already done and which was met with more resistance from Gov. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. Bob Kopta said that his wife had mental health issues and had spoken of going to the warm climate of the island. I noticed quite a few errors myself. Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none? Prosecutors offered Patricia a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table, but she declined. The couple moved into Andrews sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Fugitive dad arrested for slaying teen daughters in honor killing Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. Youre absolutely right!! It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. The Riverside County public defender stated that the court may reduce her first two offences to misdemeanors because they are classified as wobblers. Wobbler refers to a criminal offense that can be classified as either a misdemeanor or a felony. My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. And I hope I can get down to see her., Were very thankful to know that Patty is alive and well, Smith added. If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. But I agree with a recent comment.. Why not do a paternity case so just that is done and out of the way. Her husband, Mark McCloskey, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor fourth degree assault and was fined $750. He tried to claim someone else murdered them and that the night his daughters were killed someone was following them. He was sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. She had had numerous run-ins with the police and, each time, would tell them to be ready because the end of the world was coming. You say by definition! Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. Patricia was relieved when police took him for custody after 12 years of her daughter's murder. WoW! She embraced spontaneity and diligence. I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. All 3 of her alibis were lies, DNA tied her to the murder, there was no sexual assault, she had a violent past, was obsessed with Andy, and was caught lying about owning a gun, which coincidentally jammed after firing once and shell cases were found on her property. It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. Im dying. A Texas man who carried out the mass shooting at the Cielo Vista Walmart in El Paso, Texas, on Aug. 3, 2019, killing 23 people and injuring 22 more, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court to a 90-count indictment, including 45 counts of violating the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Patricia The Irish-Italian girl had full, fluffy dark hair, olive skin, and a pretty face. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. Wheres the evidence that Patty was obsessed with Andy? Any true crime fan should know the crazy history of these magic boxes. Until next time, cheers. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. All that remains is the conclusion of an appeal that Prue's husband Allen Prue has made to the Vermont Supreme Court following his October conviction in Jenkins' murder. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. Soon after, Kopta lost her job because she was seeing things and her behavior was disruptive, and then she began to walk the streets to spread her message. Patricia Rorrer is as guilty as sin, and she needs to stay right where shes at. Rorrer is as guilty as OJ Simpson. It makes me sick. Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? Marcelin said the detectives, referring to Patricia Wright, asked, Dont you want that [expletive] off the street?. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? And shes were so happy. Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. Cold case: Rape kits from two women lead to arrest in 1979 South Missouri's Governor Pardons The St. Louis Lawyers Who Waved Patricia Stop defending her when she is guilty!!!!! It might have said no root but could have been wrong. Jerry Browns office. Patricia Wrights brother, Larry Wright, 47, and her neighbor, Janet Marcelin, 55, both testified that Patricia Wright and Lawrence Slaughter committed the murder but recanted their testimony after Patricia was sentenced to life without possibility of parole. Perhaps she used more than one gun using another/others for the target shooting than the one she killed with (and others shot with her?) And even prosecutor Michael McIntyre, who wrote the book Hair Trigger about the case, acknowledged to Keith Morrison that it was a little odd that the police found blood on the hairs in Joanns car but nowhere else in the vehicle. According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). So lets get going on the recap of the Forensic Files episode A Woman Scorned, along with extra information drawn from internet research: Joann Marie OConnor was born on Oct. 11, 1968, the youngest of Sarah and David OConnors four children. Whats worse is that shes innocent. Patricia had a knack for writing strong headlines, which won her first place in a 2012 national contest. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. They claim in a 911 call from the night of the murders, Sarah said her father was attacking her. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. She had a suitcase packed, Devine said. Ex-wife slams devil Texas father Yaser Said over honor killings of No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. "The family has been very patient. SHE IS NOT GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES. 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Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. And because some of Patricias advocates have suggested Andrew Katrinak had a motive for murder, I checked into whether he had a life insurance payout to gain upon Joanns demise. A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. Patricia Prue also expressed remorse for her husband's actions. Stevie J Further to my previous comment, I should add the following. I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? She is right where she belongs for now until she meets satan in the fury of hell. Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. In summer, after thawing, there will be small animals eating the body and even turkey vultures, but not so much in the winter. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. I dont think so. Owens said Said made her a weak woman but that those days are over. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. Said tried to blame the FBI for not searching for an unknown person, he said, was the real killer. False. I wanted to get out of there.. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. The series was produced by Joe Berlinger, who made the Paradise Lost documentaries, which garnered actor Johnny Depps attention and ultimately helped free the West Memphis Three. From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. Said WebTexas-born Patricia (Tissie) Said, the mother of the two girls, should long ago have been charged as an accomplice in their honor killing. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. The fact that Jerome was gay was left out of the trial altogether. This article is little more than fiction. (Nope. Stop. She asked to speak with Andrew, who was home during the call; Joann refused. Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? Yaser Said is accused of killing his two daughters in 2008. In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. She had money put aside. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. Patricia I come home one night, and shes just gone, and nobody knows where shes at, Bob Kopta, husband of Patricia Kopta, said at a press conference reported by Pittsburgh Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. You, however, consider your ill-informed opinion superior to them not only that, you then go to great lengths to belittle them. Said showed no emotion as the verdict was read. Patty is my cousin. However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! Patricias phone bill showed no record of a call to Catasauqua that day, but police noticed she didnt make any calls at all from her house in North Carolina that day either suggesting she could have been out of state and used a pay phone to dial up the Katrinaks. The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias. I wonder, did they ever perform a DNA test on the baby, to verify paternity? Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. Although the prosecution used it as evidence that she was trying to create a false alibi, it actually sounded more like Patricia was simply trying to nail down the facts he had already asserted to her. Which Patricia did not, so who is the real killer? I really never thought of it again.. Patricia Prue sentence: Life without parole Or the ME and the entomologist that explained how impossible it would be for that baby and mother to be out there for four months, deceased at that, and still be as intact as they were, and the fact that the baby was double the size of a three month old child. I come home one night, and shes just gone, and nobody knows where shes at, Bob Kopta, husband of Patricia Kopta, said at a press conference reported by Pittsburgh-based NBC affiliate WPXI. They tested the hair last night on Reasonable Doubt using updated technology it is definitely Patricias. After researching this case more thoroughly, I stand corrected about the time it took the jury to return a verdict. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. Yassein and Islam Said later helped hide Yaser Said in a home in Justin. I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours from Riverside to Los Angeles and sit in court all day, Patricia said. This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. They retested hair from the car in 2008 with updated new technology. I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, in a letter to Patricia. I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. Have you read the book? Irving Police Chief Jeff Spivey hailed authorities for pursuing justice in the case for more than a decade. Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. Killers can plan all the details and alibis well ahead of the murder while cops must come up with hard evidence, even just to make an arrest. A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. Together they had a baby girl, Nicole. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. And she called 911. Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. On Alexs diaper bag, police found strands of the same type of hair from the car. There are innocent people in prison. Highly charged case. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! I fail to see exactly why someone cant have an opinion which he/she sees as fact. SHAME ON THEM. Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. Clive Swift: Keeping Up Appearances star dies According to court documents, Yassein and Islam Said had been communicating with Yaser Said since Jan. 1, 2008, to help him evade capture. [emailprotected]. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. It took jurors about three hours to convict Said for the deaths of his daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. Arrest mother as accomplice in Texas honor killing | Fox News Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. He was happy. j} [gut('bIKL|kY4`a;]MQ p2x $kw. I guess the investigators in Pennsylvania managed a quick resolve to a huge case that had a nations eyes scrutinizing their every move! Especially mice! This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. By signing up you agree to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy, Stand with us in our mission to discover and uncover the story of North Texas, Jury convicts man who harbored fugitive brother accused of killing teen daughters in Irving in 2008, Irving man admits to harboring fugitive father accused of murdering teenage daughters, A day after powerful thunderstorms, North Texas surveys the damage, 3 children killed, 2 wounded at Ellis County home; suspect in custody, How a Texas districts reaction to school shooting fears highlights discipline concerns, Carrollton man advertised pills on social media to entice teens to buy fentanyl, feds say. Why wouldnt they let any of her witnesses testify? The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. Maybe then you will see the wrongful conviction! Or to keep it anonymous, click here. But her reputation wasnt exactly sleek and shiny. who pointed guns at protesters plead She is the one who tricked them, first by Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). Alfey went on to say that he noticed that the woman hosting the model home was following them very closely the whole time that they were there. I would have liked better her being put to death! That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. Its patently clear you are another of those who knows too little about this case. The phone wire was located at the opposite end of the basement, which was dark. Her jealousy and rage because Joann told her to not contact her husband set her off. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? Another point is the theory developed by the cops that the victim (Joann) was shot just one time and then bludgeoned to death. Have you read the book? Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. Its totally irrelevant. I didnt believe it. Justice is about uncovering the truth. DALLAS, Texas - A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. And in a piece of salacious testimony, Patricia Rorrers half sister, Sandra Ireland, said that in May 1995, about six months after the murder, their mother, Patricia Chambers, stopped by the house and asked her to hold onto or hide a gun, or both. Some people are just monsters. The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. I've been thinking about them the last two weeks every morning when I wake up and close my eyes," she said.
