[quote]You have to ignore a whole lot of what is wrong with society to limit it to a bogus discussion about how some people have "brains wired differently." His grades fell to average. Teachers have no training in mental disorders or warning signs. On April 20, 1999, two teenage gunmen kill 13 people in a shooting spree at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, south of Denver. They are rare. It is absolutely the parents vault. "He got his satisfaction by dominating." Dylan's mother, Sue Klebold, confirmed to radio host Terry Gross on "Fresh Air" Tuesday that she is Jewish, and her now ex-husband, Dylan Klebold's father, is Lutheran, and said her son . Now, she spends her time advocating for suicide prevention and mental health services. Most of you posters here are complete idiots and voiceofthenight is the biggest moron of them all. The mother of Columbine killer Dylan Klebold says she thinks every day about the people her . Wayne & Kathy Harris' son is widely seen as the . Indeed, up until he died, he had been going to school, working a part-time job, hanging out with his friends, planning for college all behaviors of a normal teenager. I also agree with R7. Here, let me get your coats for you. it was probably dylan just being a snarky and sardonic person if the relationship had ever crumbled, or a classic father/son conflict. Susan Francis Klebold was born on March 25, 1949, to Milton Yassenoff and Charlotte Yassenoff. They haff come here to haff a nice dinner und a nice time. Brian Rohrbough, father of victim Daniel Rohrbough, said he was outraged that the Klebolds likened the day of the shootings to a natural disaster in the interview with Brooks. From what we cam tell, the Harris family took a laissez-faire attitude towards Eric. My parents didn't know anything I did, didn't care,and were happy if I stayed invisible. As Dylan entered adolescence, he became a bit more complicated. No scientist knows this absolutely. He's wearing a plaid shirt, either dark blue or black with white; the shirt's untucked. The world was shocked and sickened on April 20, 1991, when crazed students Dylan Klebold, 17, and Eric Harris, 18, slaughtered 12 students and one teacher at Colorado's Columbine High School. R77, there are people who don't have feelings. Nothing taken care of that I needed him to do (like take care of the cats). Tom had a huge hobby for fixing up BMW's. The parents of Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, remained in seclusion Wednesday as a global media horde encamped at their houses after the murderous rampage Tuesday at Columbine High School. As a . Kids do know about their frineds. Just know I'm going to a better place. I was in high school at the time. They then killed themselves in the school library. Some folks do indeed work from very primitive brain impulses. They often have an interest in guns and weapons, with easy access to firearms, and have often repeatedly made clear their violent intentions to others (usually peers). It wasnt deemed something that needed further attention. . i cannot remember nor can i find the source for this but im half certain its in his interview in the 11k. When he heard reports of gunmen in trench coats rampaging through Columbine High, it's reported, that Thomas Klebold (the father of Dylan) contacted authorities, because he suspected his son might be involved and offered his help as a negotiator.. Too bad a pack of rabid Columbine mommies can't get together and make a punching bag out of her. . I believe the parents both left the Columbine area, and possibly the state of Colorado. Byron indicated the last time he saw Dylan was on their father's birthday. Not only had Dylan experienced bullying in school, his school fit some of the factors that meant it was most at risk for a shooting by ignoring certain behaviors and otherwise unevenly enforcing the rules. I think he was broken over the loss of his son, and wants to remember the boy Dylan was and not the murder he became? Parents were not paying attention to what was in plain sight, or didn't want to deal with it. Klebold and Harris were in a juvenile diversion program for breaking into a van and stealing tools and other items in January 1998. Oprah asked the teachers to describe Harris/Klebold, the teachers talked about how they didn't fit in, wore trenchcoats, seemed troubled and dangerous, and so on. Dylan also writes in his journal that. At approximately 11:19 a.m., Dylan Klebold, 17, and Eric . Tom was a geophysicist, Sue worked with handicapped people. Has anybody ever agreed with you about that, r104? On a calendar entry dated the day of the attack, April 20, the time 11:10 is written across the top an approximate reference to when Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold pulled out their weapons . Kids hide things. Or it's everything. He's wearing black BDUs (military-style pants) tucked into military-style boots. She is the author of A Mother's Reckoning, a book about the signs she missed of Dylan's mental state. None of us knows exactly how the brain works. Very exciting though, the progress we've made. Indeed, R96. Goodbye. As I often do, Ill leave the author the last word on why understanding the process her son went through is important: Dylan was vulnerable in many ways unquestionably emotionally immature, depressed, possibly suffering from a more serious mood or personality disorder. His mom was trying to find the best fit for him, but I suspect it ended up being more difficult for him), and both enjoyed violent video games. Most shouldn't have ever been parents in the first place. I think maybe his outlook grew worse over time. Gotta go. It's far more complicated than a matter of discipline. They cry innocence and ignorance, when I know they were anything BUT. One particular incident was uncovered where Dylan and Eric (the other shooter) were surrounded by a group, pushed around, called slurs, and had ketchup sprayed on them. I'm glad Oprah isn't going to help this man promote his book. What can I say, the mention of Dave Cullen's book piqued my curiosity. They will live on forever !!!!!!!! Very few people really care. On April 20, 1999, when Sue Klebold heard about a shooting incident at Columbine High School, her thoughts immediately turned to her 17-year-old son, Dylan, who was a senior there. She just took interest and responsibility for what I did as long as I was both underage and under her roof. His father Wayne was a U.S. Air Force transport pilot . Tom is a geophysicist, Sue works with handicapped people. What happened to them? With these many, many factors in mind, I turn to A Mothers Reckoning. . Describes how eric harris and dylan klebold approach columbine high school, in jefferson county, colorado. Hail Reb &VoDka!!!!!!!!! Are any of Robert Hare's books of interest, if you know? We are not there yet. [quote]I think he made only one phone call to a recruiter. In them, its obvious to see how his anger and rage turned from being directed toward himself to directed toward others. The oblivious parents in Target or sitting inside their houses listening to their kids having a meltdown and completely ignoring it. Teachers did nothing. Not only would that give us someone to blame (someone still living, unlike Eric and Dylan, who turned their guns on themselves), but it would also allow the psychic distance between x93usx94 and x93themx94 that frightened humans crave. Thats Something that stands out about Dylan anyway, the Lack of Emotion regarding his parents. I don't believe that Tom and Sue were annoying parents. I remember Oprah had teachers and students from Columbine on her show within a month of the event. The couple took issue with people who say they forgive them for what happened. This page is focused on the tragedy as well as its perpetrators so we can try to better understand the psychology and motives behind this horrific event. Spelling aside, Eric Harris had turned 18 about a week prior. It was very easy to read despite being a difficult topic. New York: Crown. I didn't like life too much and I know I'll be happy wherever the fuck I go. . But you also can't argue with success. Ignore them. Sure, that'll work! Planning? Brian Rohrbough, father of victim Daniel Rohrbough, said he was outraged that the Klebolds . Eric: "Yea Everyone I love, I'm really sorry about all this. People need to understand this could have happened to them, he said. His parents didnt yet know to monitor his internet usage. Join date : 2014-02-11. The problem, Cullen concludes, was that there is almost nothing that can be done to help psychopaths. Yes, it's really terrible when there is the free-flow of information and ideas, isn't it? The half-Jewish Dylan Klebold is more of a cipher. German-American restaurant owner: "You vill not be a mass murderer!" April 20, 2009 6:01 PM. I've linked an article from Nature magazine about it. However, it is my understanding from reviews that he contends the boys actually had a circle of friends and were, in fact, popular within that group. Sue Klebold with son Dylan in 1985. Credit: Sue Klebold via Penguin/Random House Tall, slim and graceful (her younger son was a gangly 193 centimetres tall), she is given to direct eye contact . [quote]No, they hated the gay boys almost as much as they hated the jocks. The parents of Columbine killers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold have often been portrayed as disengaged from the lives of their sons and unaware of the dark paths lying ahead. Sue (as both she and her son share the same surname, Im going to refer to them by their first names for the sake of clarity) begins by emphasizing that she and her husband, Tom, truly had no idea what Dylan was planning. How can that not bother you? Introduction: My name is Golda Nolan II, I am a thoughtful, clever, cute, jolly, brave, powerful, splendid person who loves writing and wants to share my knowledge and understanding with you. There's a blurb on the back flap comparing the book to Helter Skelter and In Cold Blood, and I thought that was just kind of typical PR purple mumbo-jumbo. For a couple reasons. Sue Klebold is the mother of Dylan Klebold. They always have, and unless we can change it (which might be very "Pandora") they always will. They opened fire on students and teachers at Columbine High School in Columbine, Colorado, on the Nazi leader's birthday in 1999, killing 12 classmates and a teacher and wounding 23 people before taking their own lives. At approximately 11:19 a.m., Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, dressed in trench coats, began shooting fellow students outside Columbine High School, located in a suburb south of Denver. Sociopaths who undergo training often use that training to fake being normal in order to better manipulate people. [] Asking why only makes us feel hopeless. Plus the drug industry makes a profit. I can handle them "spending too much time on the killers", but unfortunately I recognize there are too many whackjobs in this country who would just see it as glorification. I read recently that neither set of parents ever spoke publicly or to the media. Yaron Steinbuch. I must say, that rings true to me Id personally say it was because I was so self-sufficient and trustworthy as a child that my parents had no idea when I was going through (relative) difficulty in adolescence. No matter how angry they were they wouldn't be able to kill that many without those weapons. Dylan: (predicting his parents' feelings of regret) "If only we could have reached them sooner, or found this tape. Dylan Klebold's father contacted authorities, saying the boy might be involved and offering to help, Jefferson County District Attorney Dave . Harris was a "budding psychopath, a person without a conscience," he said. I think that even I have sustained some slight rewiring from that, though not anywhere *near* to the extent of my brother's. In a story for Sundays editions of The Post, Lozow related the first moments after the Klebolds learned of the shooting. As we ourselves have often concluded in class, it seems Sue also came to the understanding that the massacre was the culmination of a number of different factors for Dylan, none of which on their own would have created such an act. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most serial killers/mass murderers had excessive discipline rather than lenient upbringings. Eric's also wearing a plaid shirt that's either dark blue or black with white, with a white t-shirt on underneath. Any pix of the monster creators? And psychiatrists, rather dubious "doctors" push drugs. I hated her for a few years but its not a clear depiction of the totality of our relationship. If I didn't know that I would have done the same. It is actually a lot of conformist bunk to serve the status quo. There are a lot more R&V followers out there than you would think. Without one factor (their brains) or the other (the guns), this wouldn't have happened the way it did, but I don't see the point of dismissing/elevating one over the other. As she says, The rest of the world could explain away what he had done: either he was born evil a bad seed or hed been raised without moral guidance. Dylan's mother, Sue Klebold, confirmed to radio host Terry Gross on "Fresh Air" Tuesday that she is Jewish, and her now ex-husband, Dylan Klebold's father, is Lutheran, and said her son . I don't think I can categorize Dylan's relationship with his parents as bad or good, because Dylan was incredibly disturbed teen and clearly had a skewed perception of reality. comes from the shittiest of shitty, lazy parent(s). Even still, he seemed happy and had a handful of close friends. We had to get up at 4:00 AM to be there by 6:00. Criminal behavior: a psychological approach. As much as it sucked I knew deep down that it was just a stage and that it wasn't real. What happened isn't their fault. Firstly, like everyone else he didn't pick up on his mental health nor was Dylan apparently showing it to his 'best friend.'. Reb". "I wonder if there was any homosex between those two.". . Based on what I've read so far, he's working off the assumption that Klebold was a depressive with self-destructive tendencies (he mentions suicide over and over in the journal kept for two years prior to the incident), and that Harris was a full-blown psychopath. I got picked on a lot and dealt with a lot of shit from the "jocks" and the "cool kids." Dylan Klebold along with his friend, Eric Harris, committed the Columbine High School massacre 17 years ago. Im going to start by reviewing what Bartol & Bartol (2017) have to say about school shooters (and shootings) as a group, though they also state there is no single school shooter profile. His parents didnt understand the full extent of it, but high school wasnt turning out to be a kind place for him. He had friends, but felt as if he were a burden; he wanted love, but the girl he was interested in didnt know he existed. Dylan Bennett Klebold. Ridiculous. He was one of the teens behind the Columbine High School Massacre in 1999. Agreed that Klebold's parents seem like total cunts, delusional in their whiny victim mentality. When I was in high school, i was friends with a guy who very well could have done what those kids did. , What was the deadliest school shooting? I kind of admire that. In a video-diary-style recording, Dylan stated his parents had been good to him. Tom Klebold said they hope to understand someday why the shooting happened. Eric said his father never asked whether the caller even had the right phone number. Unfortunately, we only have her word today as to what went on in the home. And then later on, how was he able to conceal his mental state so successfully? . I have cousins who did shit like this - what was I supposed to do, call the cops and tell them to search their bedrooms because they might be crazy? It wasnt accepted.. His parents raised their two boys as many others did, following that close-knit, suburban family model (p. 62). [quote]I can't believe Oprah canceled her Columbine show today. Eric's parents were both born in Colorado but while his father Wayne Harris was working in the Air Force as a transport pilot, Wayne held 11 different positions at six different bases in Ohio . His point is that "society" didn't have too much of anything to do with how Harris turned out--he was born that way. It's still about management. I think it is really interesting to think about the many things that lead someone to commit a school shooting. Few more places I can't think of now. I didnt hear it.. . The parents cars were in the driveway. It may have hurt him. He lays bare the callous brutality of mastermind Eric Harris and the quavering, suicidal Dylan Klebold, who went to the prom three days earlier and obsessed about love in his journal. To be clear, I'm sure the Klebold's obviously loved their children, but reading Dylan's writings, there was more going on in that home that Sue would say today. in CJ 725, Tagged: columbine, mass murderer, mental illness, school shootings. 17 year old son of Mr. Thomas Klebold (then 52) and Mrs. Susan (Yassenoff) Klebold (then 50), younger brother to Byron. So they actually DO blame the kids for setting off their little angels on a murderous rampage. He didn't even say hi to Tom or ask how he was. Serious victim mentality with both of them. Real estate records indicate they bought their 10-acre plot in 1990 for $65,000. "They believe that what they call the "toxic culture" of the school the worship of jocks and the tolerance of bullying is the primary force that set Dylan off. Very well said, r18. Some psychopaths are obsessed with money or power, but when you combine psychopathy with sadism, you get an Eric Harris. Brian Rohrbough, father of victim Daniel Rohrbough, said he was outraged that the Klebolds likened the day of the shootings to a natural disaster in the interview with Brooks. You're an idiot. Sue had no idea it was a life-and-death situation. Sue suggests that for someone as sensitive to humiliation and loss of control as Dylan, these types of events may have made a big influence on him, and created a bond between the boys. In Cub Scouts, he was a bright, dedicated boy who worked hard for his badges. The Klebolds attorney, Gary Lozow, told The Denver Post the Klebolds had no plans to grant any other interviews. By Eun Kyung Kim. I'd add that Tom watched the basement tapes and even after seeing them first-hand, stated something to the effect of 'see he didn't want to do it' (I'm paraphrasing here). They lie. LITTLETON, Colo., April 24 - The parents of Dylan Klebold, one of the teenage shooters in the Columbine High School massacre, said goodbye to their dead son . Think of kids who commit suicide - often you hear their family say, "We had no idea." In this case, the other shooter played a pivotal role in stoking Dylans rage and allowing him to break out of his own passivity and actually take steps toward the suicide he craved. He went to his senior prom and based on his journal had a wonderful time, and was invested in his future to such an extent that he chose a college and made a trip out to Arizona to look at dorm rooms with his father. Yet, despite a happy upbringing, Dylan still did what he did. . Brookscolumn did not say when and where the interview took place. Harris and Klebold met at Ken Caryl Middle School during their seventh grade year. Dylan Bennet Klebold Born: 9-11-1981 6 feet 2.5 inches tall, 143 lbs. IIRC, they both had psychiatric attention. here are some tidbits that might help you with the question. Eric Harris was beyond needing a therapist. Harris parents, Wayne and Kathy Harris, have never spoken to reporters. - You're all over this shit aren't ya? Read a little more about the case, R28. I recently watched the documentary Raising Adam Lanza, and, though it wasnt as detailed, there were some interesting overlaps between Adam and Dylan. Am I supposed to be impressed by dates, VOTN? The term "psychopath" was in academic use by the early 1910s, and the definitive work on psychopathy was published in 1941. ERIC AND DYLAN 4 LIFE! Although in their rantings, they seemed to have special hatred for fags, and various other epithets for minorities that I don't even like to write, let alone speak. As a literature teacher, symbolism is not lost on me. I knew it wasnt nearly so simple (p. 146). Klebold's parents, Thomas and Susan, lived in a sprawling, secluded house on a dirt road. Wayne - who owned guns himself - told the clerk he hadn't ordered any clips. Sunday, April 25, 1999; Page A8. I guess it's my generation. How are parents supposed to know everything that goes on in their children's minds? You teach people to manage their condition. You can criticize psychiatry without being a Scientologist. These incidents happen because the majority of people choose to look the other way if a kid seems a little off. There was a creepy thread started by a sociopathic OP a couple of weeks ago where this was discussed. They've got a son who's very bright and makes good grades, yet he hasn't applied to college and has made only a half-assed attempt to enlist in the Marines (I think he made only one phone call to a recruiter). Their teenage son, along with his classmate Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, on April 20, 1999. The most undereducated, illiterate, ridiculous people become teachers. Dylan and Robyn had fun. ", Dylan: "They gave me my fucking life. Klebold, S. (2016). 04-20-1999 Died. (Stephanie . At the same time, the father must have believed that his son's future was still bright. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the gunman, had been bullied for several years prior to the massacre. crap, that is what I think of. But she focuses greatly on the lead-up to that day, hoping to shed light on what happened to her son in order to help someone else see signs in their own child while they still have a chance to intervene. His parents knew this, though not the extent of it. Also when I was growing up, people had no qualms about calling a parent and saying "Your little boy Johnny said something really awful to my son today." or "Your little Janey slapped Susey today and she needs to stop doing that." Dylan Klebold had been accepted by the University of Arizona and planned to attend this fall. OSHKOSH, Wis. (WBAY) - A special event was held in Oshkosh Tuesday afternoon, where the mother Dylan Klebold, one of the two gunmen responsible for the Columbine High School shootings in Colorado . Bedwetting, firesetting and cruelty to animals. The glaring one that Americans seem unable to see is the huge amount of available weapons in the US. Christ R22/R32/R39 et all. Ed Berg, a former business associate who has talked to Tom Klebold since the shootings, said Dylan's father has come to grips with the boy's crime. Betty Shoels, Isaiah's aunt, said that "her 18-year-old nephew was a fun-loving athlete who was always smiling, despite feeling out of place as one of the school's few African-American students." . one of their coworkers at blackjack (again, cannot remember the name; most of this is just top of my head knowledge but it was a girl) said that dylan was not close with his dad and even disliked him (something to that effect), also in the 11k. To me its really hard to determine the quality of a relationship based on how teenagers feel about it. (Video) My son was a Columbine shooter. Eric and Dylan worked extremely hard to conceal their machinations. I just wanted to apologize to you guys for any crap this might instigate as far as (inaudible) or something. In the vacuum of actual news, they just start over again. It just seems all a bit odd. Wayne & Kathy Harris are the parents of infamous Columbine HS shooter, Eric Harris. Yet later, he sees them more as zombiestrickier though andmore manipulative. . Dylan (Klebold) did not do this because of the way he was raised, Susan Klebold told columnist David Brooks in Saturdays editions of The New York Times. Both Adam and Dylan seemed to have good relationships with their moms (though Adam actually ended up killing his mother the day of the shooting), both struggled in school (Adam actually switched schools a few times. Sociopaths are born, but people who remain sociopaths as they age: either missed puberty; or had bad parents. Oprah asked the teachers to describe Harris/Klebold, the teachers talked about how they didn't fit in, wore trenchcoats, seemed troubled and dangerous, and so on. Growing up in Ohio, she had a mixed religious upbringing with her Christian mother and Jewish father. A few weeks ago, I reviewed Sue Klebolds memoir A Mothers Reckoning: Living in the Aftermath of Tragedy, about her experience as the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the Columbine High School shooters. When I hear this "We never knew a thing was wrong with our child!" Dylan Klebold was 17 when he and Harris,18, carried out their long-planned attack on the high school about 13 miles south of downtown Denver. The narrator seemed to revel in the graphic violence he was depicting, but it was the final passage that was particularly disturbing, where Dylan conveyed unabashed awe and . Hey, Sci-fi-tologist, fuck off with your anti-psychology bullshit. They have grown up to be (somewhat) upstanding members of society, but I don't see how it is so easy to go from knowing your kid is making crank calls and setting off amateur pipe bombs to seeing him as a psychopathic murderer. . So no, nothing in the gifted program could have helped this kid. multiple newspapers and media outlets in the days after reported dylan and his father having the kind of relationship where, when dylan would come home from school, they would share a snack and read the sports section of the newspaper together. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold was the deadliest high school shooting in U.S. history, . He overslept and missed a class and was sleeping when I got home.

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